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Election Liveblog
Iain Gray: lol.
The polls are closed, and we’ll know the results of the Scottish parliament elections, and whether or not Westminister has a different shitey voting system (SO EXCITING!) by Friday morning. SSY teams will be bringing you amazing liveblogging from the Glasgow and North East counts, with extra reporting from SSY’s secret underground complex. But this won’t be your normal boring Guardian liveblog - have a look at last years to get an idea of what to expect. This year, expect us to call for the deaths of EVEN MORE bastards! If we haven’t all gone crazy by the end of the counting, enjoy the liveblog!
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Oh what fun to view such a biased far-left opinion in real time.
Then why are you here? LOOOOOOOOSSSSEEEEEEERRRR.
Sky News on at the North East count. Grr. No Scottish news.
Thank god for you lot keeping us out the country up-to-date… any news on Galloway yet?
That Labour guy that one the first seat was like the Alex Ciderson company from Burnostoun.
How come we hate Andy Kerr so much? Is it just a general shitey labour thing or is it cos of something specifically awful he’s done? I’m watching the election with a labour member, apparently her mates don’t like him either. :s
Because he’s been my MSP for yeeeeaaars in East Kilbride, and he’s a total slimy prick.
He’s also a MAD BIG FAN of PFI
seems fair enough. Keep the piss-taking coming folks! Also I’m assuming yes are watching us wipe the floor with sheridan on the lists…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/region/html/scotland.stm
BBC Scotland just did a wee montage of Alex Salmond and I almost threw up my breakfast.
According to the amazing facts scrolling along the bottom of the BBC, Annabel Goldie is a keen fan of birdwatching! *Can feel LydiaTeapot’s rage from here*
*seethes quietly*
Any news on what the SSP vote looks like relative to last time?
Aberdeen candidates did not share a platform with the fash, where you getting that from!?
Not a word on SSP results? Why are you not boasting about your amazing 1200 votes?
We did post our results, all the ones that were available by the time we went to bed at 8am. It’s funny if you think we actually care about our election results. You must feel really big and clever hiding behind ‘anon’ =)
Hold on a sec, ignore my last comment the candidates did share a platform. 32 hours without sleep has really taken its toll!
“We did post our results”
Did someone eat them cos they are still not there. I know they are toe-curlingly embarrassing but a bit of honesty would not go amis.
Lol, so which party are you from then? Because the SNP are too busy celebrating and have better things to be doing to be gloating, so they’re out. Lib Dems or Tories, nah. Solidarity got less than us all over so it surely COULDN’T be them.. and Labour just lost ALL OF THEIR HEARTLANDS so surely also have nothing to be gloating about? Unless someone’s feeling a bit upset and is acting like the wee boy who gets embarrassed by the bigger kids at school so turns around and thumps someone wee-er than them in their own class? Yeah that sounds a bit right. You’re banned now because pathetic wee wannabe bullies aren’t really the type of people I care about enough to spend time debating with. You can go shave your back now.
Again, like I give a fuck.
I posted a link to regional results above. No, we’re not doing very well, thanks for pointing it out.
Maybe we could do a Labour and sell-out our left credibility to get more votes, that’s working so well for them…
Hi Frank.
“Solidarity got less than us all over”
Well apart from Glasgow were they got 6335 and you got 1219. Only about by a factor of 4 though so well done!
Oh, I’m sorry, is George Galloway in Solidarity now? Must have missed that in amongst all his talking about how he’s against independence and would have taken the Labour whip if he’d been elected. Support for George Galloway is significantly higher than any for Solidarity, so you know you’re talking out your arse. Thanks for revealing your identity though =) Seeing as we’re so irrelevant, it’s strange that a clearly relevant and important person such as yourself has taken time out of your obviously staggeringly busy schedule to comment on our little old blog. The words ‘get a life’ spring to mind
Guys, I know you are probably fucked off with the result at the moment. But at some point you (or at least someone within the SSP) is going to need to sit down and take a hard look at where it went wrong. Saying ‘nah nah nah nah we don’t care anyway’ is just childish.
The SSP political strategy since 2007 has been based on waiting out the perjury trial, hope for Sheridan’s conviction, and see the voters come flocking back when they see you were proved to have been telling the truth. Well the first two things happened but the voters didn’t come back. You have effectively been talking to yourselves for the last four years about an issue which only a small number of highly invested people really cared about. Most of your appearances on television have only served to put people off (together with people who didn’t much like McNeilage selling the tape etc).
There was a left vote out there and the SLP got it despite not having much of a presence in Scotland. Why is that?
We’re really really not fucked off with it, we didn’t expect better and we’re pleased about the SNP result.
I wasn’t saying nah nah I don’t care, I was responding to TROLLS, they don’t merit serious and in depth answers. We care about the future of the left in Scotland, a LOT, and we are in constant dialogue with ourselves and others about it and where it’s going and how it can become better. We just don’t particularly care that we didn’t get a lot of votes in this election – we all know the reasons for that, and nothing unexpected happened. The point is to move forward, not to dwell in the past. We ALL know ‘where it went wrong’ – what we’re more interested in talking about is how to take it forward, and we’re involved in discussions on a whole range of issues the left needs to tackle – party politics, community organising, non-hierarchical organising, direct action. My only advice is to get involved in the anti-cuts movement in Glasgow if you care about where it’s going, that’s where we’ll be.
And the reason the SLP get votes is because people think they are voting for the Labour Party, that is honestly the only reason, it’s a non-issue, they are not on the rise. A more interesting question is why people vote for George Galloway and how to put forward the message that there are left alternatives to misogynist publicity seekers, if we’re talking about splits in the left vote.
“And the reason the SLP get votes is because people think they are voting for the Labour Party, that is honestly the only reason” Iv been wondering all day how the SLP managed to outdo the SSP in so many places and to be honest this had crossed my mind, admittedly yes its odd seeing as how the SLP has almost no presence in Scotland, but do you really feel comfortable dismissing this as the only reason without the facts to back it up, however small the SLP presence in this country it just seems unlikely so many would get it wrong.
It really is, when you see the spoiled ballots at election counts there are a surprising number who have scrubbed out the cross they put next to the SLP and then have put a cross by Labour, they’re usually counted for labour though. Less than 5% of the SLP’s vote will be real and I can say that with confidence
A lot of the socialist sentiment in this country is part of a nostalgic tendency – nostalgia for greater trade union relevancy, charismatic socialist leaders, and a return to the heyday of Scottish industry. I’m willing to concede that some people confused Labour and Socialist Labour, but I also think that the prospect of a party led by Arthur Scargill, a man with the guts to take on Thatcher last time the Tories were in power, has lots of reasons to appeal to a socialist votership in Scotland.
But we’re different. Unlike Scargill’s party, we don’t believe in re-opening the mines (although a strengthening of the trade unions wouldn’t go amiss). We recognise that Scottish culture and economics have moved on. Although the need to create jobs in Scotland is large, we’d rather create jobs in green energy and other areas than return to a fossil-fuel based economy. Socialism has to remain relevant to the contemporary climate, and I agree with JD that we may be missing a trick in doing that. Nonetheless, our policies of independence, abolishing the unfair Council Tax, and re-establishing an independent Scotland, are mirrored in a party overwhelmingly elected by the Scottish electorate – clearly we’re doing something right. We’re also glad to see Patrick Harvie re-elected, glad indeed to see two Green MSPs elected to the Scottish parliament again, because we too believe in renewable energies, higher minimum wage, and that the gap between rich and poor in this country has increased greatly to the detriment of its people.
We will continue to support these policies regardless of which party is most successful. We’re in this for the long term, and we will not play on people’s nostagia, nor compromise our left, feminist, independence or green principles in attempts to gain more votes.
I have just read some of your blog messages and they are a bit close to the bone arent they! Too much swearing and threats of shooting people. I willbe very surprised if the website doesnt get shut down. Anyway it made me laugh a bit at times.
Acht, we’ve been posting in a similar vein at elections for a while. As Sarah indicated above (as the entire entry indicates really) we don’t take elections very seriously – more of an opportunity to point and laugh at politicians, engage in a bit of satire, you know what it’s about. I for one believe that ‘politics’ is what happens everyday to ordinary men and women – shit pay, lack of opportunities, struggle to get crap jobs, dole, being bullied at work by bosses and colleagues, not forgetting everyday sexism, racism and bigotry that we all have to encounter. What goes on in Westminster and Hollyrood is just chat really, by a bunch of people who will never encounter those things.
@ Dave hall – I would say humour is a relatively common trait amongst socialists and I wouldn’t take threats of shooting people (including plastic “socialists”) seriously at all, dinna worry… it’s probably a piss-take
. Regarding “left/plastic socialist” parties playing on voters’ nostalgia, I find it pretty sickening, and I’m reminded of this LP broadcast from 2009 which sticks in my mind;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EME1jXPuc8w
Disgusting. No mention of the wealth gap growing as quickly under labour as it did when the tories were in power, or of Labour being pro-PFI, or consistently appointing venture capitalists as advisors, or indeed of supporting imperialist wars in the middle-east. Anyway, I’m glad Scotland has elected a party who are undoubtedly more progressive than labour and pro independence; hopefully we will be voting in a referendum on the constitutional future of Scotland soon, and should we gain independence I will be hopeful of seeing an independent workers republic within my lifetime (fingers crossed), as I live in hope that an Independent Scotland would reject the SNP and vote in a red-green coalition of some sort.
^^^^agrees entirely with sentiment of above, especially bit about leftist-green government in Scotland.
However I’m already pessimistic about the possibility of a referendum. Dave Cameron and his has already proclaimed that he and his stormtroopers will prevent it happening with ‘every fibre of his being’. The other thing I’m pessimistic about is: independence is SNP’s flagship policy. They know that if they deliver it to Scotland they’ll render themselves obsolete. This gives them massive incentive not to try too hard to push through independence, but to make a very-visible, much publicised, but ultimately half-assed attempt, and then blame Dave when it doesn’t work.
Then again, if I was Salmond I would still want to be the guy who free’d Scotland from the clutches of Darth Cameron. Luke Skywalker if you will.
@Dave Hall
“I have just read some of your blog messages and they are a bit close to the bone arent they! Too much swearing and threats of shooting people. I willbe very surprised if the website doesnt get shut down. Anyway it made me laugh a bit at times.”
How? You phonin the internet polis?
Impressed at the Communist result in FPTP of 1.1%
Great website and all http://www.scottishcommunists.org.uk/
Communist Party Manifesto 2011 Launch http://www.scottishcommunists.org.uk/election-2011/communist-party-manifesto-2011
BBC: Why a strong Communist vote matters http://www.scottishcommunists.org.uk/election-2011/bbc-wshy-a-strong-communist-vote-matters
PLUS, PLEASE READ THIS…..
The Scottish Left Non-Sectarian approach http://www.scottishcommunists.org.uk/communist-news/interview-marc-livingstone-scotland-s-only-communist-holyrood-candidate-talks-to-the-morning-star
amongst many other things.
No wonder the ultra sectarians who organised the Hetherington Hustings purposefully censored him out, while including anarchists and shit who weren’t even standing in the election. SHAME ON SECTARIANISM
Lol check the FH page. The only problem here is you folks constant whining about how you were purposefully excluded from a hustings. That didn’t happen. The organiser just didn’t remember you existed.
I’m not cool with sectarianism either, but to be honest there’s a bit of a double-standard going on here involving that word:
When neo-liberal and right-wing parties criticise each other, it’s called debate. But when left-wing parties do it, it’s called sectarianism.
I for one wont support corrupt politicians regardless of their political background. I would hope that I could point to the dodgy politics of, say, George Galloway, without it making me sectarian.
Ronnie, as I’m sure has already been pointed out to you, the Hetherington Hustings (which btw wasn’t organised by anyone in the SSP) was done by looking at the left parties standing in the regional list. There is no sectarian conspiracy to freeze out Marc, we all like him and would have been happy to have him at the event IF WE’D KNOWN HE WAS STANDING. The folk that organised the hustings simply didn’t realise he was doing it, it was a local constituency campaign in an area most of the Hetherington folk don’t live in. Stop blaming others for the fact that people didn’t know your campaign existed.
Congrats on your result in Anniesland. It was a good vote, and moreover probably determined the outcome of the seat (although perhaps ironically not in the way that the CPB would have wanted).
Its a shame that Marc wasn’t at the hustings in the Hetherington, he’s a very good speaker and anyone who can succintly explain the labour related theory of value at a public hustings to nodding approval has my admiration. I look forward to seeing youse about in the near future.
HERE’S A LOAD OF ARTICLES BY MY PARTY. EVERYONE ON THE LEFT IS SECTARIAN EXCEPT US
Clearly the SSP needs to re-think whether it can just keep soldiering on in the aftermath of these results;
An Alliance of Socialists with a less rigid organisational party type form maybe a way out of the morass.
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