Aw naw man.
Here, ma wee chumpos and chumpettes, you’ll no believe this, bit ah’ll huv tae tell ye.
Thur out there. Lit sum kinna fucken zombie invasion, they walk amung is. They look lit normal people, but thur no. Thu’ll shout ‘it ye.
The peopo ahm on aboot, my wee muckers, thur the Troofers. “We ur Change” They caw thursels.
“9/11 Troof, mate”
Basically, whit these goons ur aw aboot is sayin’ thit every cunt is oot tae get thum. (Sounds lit me eftir wan too many wee draws, eh?) They pure hink thit 9/11 wis an inside job. Based on whit evidence? Aye, well, thu’ll no fucken say, will they? They talk sum amount ‘ay pish. Ye kin see sum ‘ay that pish if ye want, by the way, ye joost huve too look right here.http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090506155958670
So whit they’re sayin’ is:
“How many times has this happened to you? You are explaining to someone some of the rational, logical reasons why the official story of 9/11 can’t be true, perhaps explaining how WTC 7 fell in the exact manner of a professionally planned controlled demolition — a job which would typically take weeks to prepare — when out comes a ‘thought stopper’ phrase like:
“That’s just anotherconspiracy theory!” or …
“Do you also believe in Big Foot and tin foil hats?” “
Diagram to help the crazy people.
Right-o, mate, first thing first: Whit ur ye fucken talkin’ aboot? Ah didnae know ye wur a fucking demolition expert fur a start. How the fuck kin ye define a buildin’ fawin’ a certain fucken wey? And ye know why people ask ye if ye believe in big foot ‘n’ tin foil hats? Cause other nutters believe in that. And nae offense mate, but whin yur thinkin’ ay the style a buildin’ faws in when ye kin CLEARLY fucken see a PLANE flyin’ straight intae the fucken side, you are a fucken tube. ‘N’ by the way, if ye think ahm wrang, then read further oan in that walloper’s article. He starts bangin’ oan aboot how Pearl Harbour wis an inside joab anaw. Is everythin’ a fucken inside joab? Whit aboot when mah mail’s late? Inside joab? You’re an inside jobby, mate. Nae doubt about it. Aw ay this is apprently part ‘ay the 6 reasons why people dinnae accept the 9/11 truth (They leave oot the bit aboot the real truth – ye know, the planes flyin’ intae the towers… anybudy?) It’s reason A, The Big Lie!
Next is aboot how people find the government scary (Ah find it scary anaw, but mere tae dae wi me no bein able tae get a fucken joab if the Tories get in). So fuck? That’s no a fuckin’ valid reason! Whit ye mean is this ye don’t huv a clue! Eftir this point, they basically joost talk aboot how cunts ur stupit.
So summary ‘ay the reason nae cunt believes in the “Troof aboot 9/11” is cause wur aw daft ‘n’ canny staun up fur wursels. Me, wee Lydia Tee would like tae propose a different reason: Cause it’s no the Troof. It’s sumhin you made up whin ye wur board ‘n’ single, mate. Get a fucken life.
Thur puntin’ that Holly Greig scandal anaw. Dunno if yu’ve heard – they write it oan the waws ‘n’ grun wi chalk, cause thur hard-fucken-core. Supposedly the whole fucken world is wrapped up in coverin’ up this wee lassie’s sexual abuse. Aye, the polis wur probably fucken cunts aboot it (They eywis fucken ur! Ahm a no wrang, chums?), but it doesny mean thit it’s a big mad conspiracy, pal. It’s been rammed intae mah eyesockets in every fucken wey. Facebook groups, chalk oan the pavement, leaflets, cunts coming up tae me oan the street (Fucken stoap it, ah fucken mean it, ya bass!)
Ahm no sayin the abuse didny happen, but ahm sayin’ it’s no been a big cover-up. Ah fucken went there. Aye, ah did. Whit ur ye gonnae dae?! The people involved in it urnae high up enough tae spark some kind ay Steven Purcell type-ay action. It’s jist another wan ay these nutters way to much time oan their hauns. Bit it disnae matter, cause wi Windows Movie Maker, n sum acoustic guitar music , ye kin make anybudy believe it.
Aye, the chalk oan the pavement hing. That’s wan ay thur weys ay getting thur point acroass. Bit the flaw is that nae cunt understauns whit the fuck “Wake up” ur “Everything is okay” fucken means. They just walk oan by tae get tae fucken Coffee Republic. Nae cunt cares. They sometimes staun aboot wi thur megaphones shoutin’ aboot how the world is fucked ‘n’ that. Y’know who else dis that in the same place? The wee scary christian guy that tells everyone on the way past thur gaun tae hell. News flash fur yeese mad Troofurs, ah don’t gi a fuck aboot whit he’s goat tae say either, cause coincidently, like youse, he canny back it up… At least ye kin actually understaun whit the wee christian guy is oan aboot cause he’s goat a decent sound system.
I SOOOO want to believe everything this guy says.
Jared Gomes, whoever the fuck he is, talks in this video ( Beware, mental content unsuitable for sane viewers )
Ah couldny huv told ye the furst hing aboot this guy, bit whin ah wis watching, I couldny tell ye whit ‘e wis oan aboot either. He’s tellin’ me thit it’s a wee group in the government thit ah should hate ‘n’ no the full government – bit wait a fucken minute, ah thoat the whole hing wis a hierarchy ‘ay control ‘n’ lies? Then whit, dis it end at that wee group? Make up yer fucken minds! The whole video is a fucken joke tae be honest wi yeese, ma muckers. It’s aw fuzzy megphone yellin’ some ay the auld chalky pavement. That ‘N’ peope cuddlin each other… Joost naw. (Fur the record, if anycunt tries tae cuddle me in the street is an attempt tae spread the love, ah’ll spread thur noses acroass thur faces wi mah fist…) Then thur’s the auld heavy metal music adored everywhere by 13 year auld cunts wi mere metal hingin’ oot thur boady thin’ fucken robo-cop ‘n’ Inspector Gadget’s love-wean. (Here, hing oan a minute… whit did that Jared Gomes cunt look like again..?)
Aw ‘n’ thur’s a nice wee bit ay climate change denial in there anaw. Ah suppose it’s cause the sun’s oot tae get me anaw. At the end, the obnoxiously annoyin’ fucken voice begs me tae dae mah ain research, an ah huv. So should you tae. Cause yu’ll learn thit “We Ur Change” ur a load ay pish. Don’t buy intae thur crazy talk, don’t smoke whit their smokin’. It’s no good fur ye, yu’ll joost turn intae wan ay thame.
‘N’ specially fur me, mah wee chummos, if ye see thum in the street, dae somthin aboot it. Thur liars ‘n’ panic merchants who dinnae deserve the time ‘ay day.
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Lydia Teapot rocks, can she not get a regular column or that ?
Totally agree, wee LydiaTeapot, here is a quote from the video above, where they are doing their “9/11 truth quiz” (i.e. getting their members to say lies to the camera about 9/11:
“The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, that not many people know about, erm there was no bodies found from that wreckage. Coroners were coming out saying there was nothing that they could do, there was no parts of bodies found, at all”.
That is a lie from start to finish. First of all, EVERYONE knows about the fourth plane, they even made a Hollywood movie about it. And it’s a total lie that no parts of bodies were found – ven a simple bit of wikipedia disproves everything that knobhead is saying:
“As he walked through the wreckage, the only recognizable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached.[74] Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total.[75] The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.[76] Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24.[77][78] They identified another by September 29.[79] Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27.[80] All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21. Human remains were so fragmented investigators could not determine if any victims were dead before the plane crashed.”
So, basically, what happened was A PLANE CRASHED. Bodies tend to CATCH FIRE when that happens. They identified EVERYONE who was on board. There were WITNESSES to the plane crash.
The fact that they would even use an idiotic quote from someone who has even misunderstood her own sect’s lies as some kind of ‘proof’ in their video really shows up how credible they are in general. I don’t really want Mayday to be associated with any of that nonsense – 9/11 conspiracy theories, the opportunistic misuse of the tragedy of child abuse, climate change denial and ‘teh jooz are run teh world’ antisemitism. It’s got nothing to do with Mayday, nothing to do with socialism, nothing to do with class, in fact a lot of it is very right wing.
Aye, a whole load of 9/11 “truth” comes from the same folk who say Obama was born in Kenya, that socialised healthcare is evil, and their government is going Socialist…
I find all of the Hollie Greig stuff really distasteful as well.
A girl was abused by men in a position of power and there may have been an attempted cover up. I hate to say it, but that’s not news to me.
That happens to women and girls every day. Why have these people pounced on this one case out of thousands and tried to use it to their own conspiracy-centric ends?
The thing that bothers me most about 9/11 pish etc. is that it distracts attention from the real conspiracies committed by the ruling class. It is a fact that the global elite, that is political figures from the leading states and leading capitalists, are largely on first name terms, because they have regular events where they meet up and plan their policies for the domination of the planet. For example, I would characterise the European Round Table of Industrialists as a conspiracy. It’s an organisation that works to undermine socialised healthcare and education across Europe by pressurising governments and the EU administration behind closed doors.
http://www.ert.be/home.aspx
More seemingly silly examples are the elite meetups at things like the Bilderberg Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group) or Bohemian Grove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove). Both of these have been jumped on by the people that believe jews/lizards/satanists run the world. But what they in fact are is sinister enough-places where the capitalist class can plan what it’s going to do to us free from any kind of public scrutiny.
Meanwhile however, talking about this kind of parapolitics is increasingly discredited by the ravings of We are Change types. They let the spooks and people influencing things out of the public eye off the hook.
Also, what is the view of these people of the earlier al Qaeda bombings in Africa? I’ve never heard them say these were conspiracies, they presumably didn’t register on their white middle class radar.
I also find it hilarious that the Bush administration, one of the most inept US governments of all time, which made a total arse out of achieving its objectives in Iraq, was capable of carrying out the largest, most sophisticated conspiracy in history, and keeping the literally hundreds of people involved quiet. You really think this of the man that said (amongst many thousands of other funny things):
“Throughout our history, the words of the Declaration have inspired immigrants from around the world to set sail to our shores. These immigrants have helped transform 13 small colonies into a great and growing nation of more than 300 people.”
http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk/
Aye if 9/11 was a conspiracy, why was it so hard to link Iraq and Al Qaeda? All it would have taken is setting up Iraq for the whole situation in the occupation of that country to change dramatically in the US’ favour.
I’ll beleive the official story when i see a shred of evidence to support it.
I’ll beleive any ‘conspiracy theory’ when i see the evidence to support them.
All i can find is evidence that completely contradicts the story we have been told to this day. I am not sure as to what conclusions to draw from them.
Your diagram is helpful lydia in explaining the fall of towers 1 & 2, but the part he is talking about is the fall of tower 7, which was not hit by a plane, by far not the most damaged by the falling towers [1], and suffered light fires[2]. Wtc 7 was lightly structurally damaged, burned slowly for several hours, and then in a split second experienced a simultanious and complete fauilure of every structural support it had. Buildings dont do that [3].
Molton metal has been reported by many of the emergency workers [4] working on the debris of towers 1, 2 and 7. Take this thermal image of the USGS spectroscopy lab. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_hotspots.html – It shows 5 days after the planes hit that there are thermal hotspots of 727C (where office fires burn at only 300C) underneath wtc7. There is no part of any 9/11 governmental review that even aknowledges molton metal underneath the only buildings to collapse, nevermind account for them. Molton metal is indicative of the use of thermite, an incendiary explosive used in the demolition of buildings.
For those who have bothered to read this far, thankyou. I ask you this. Imagine the rectangular layout of wtc7 shown in [1], with its south face pointing towards the falling towers. Is it logical to assume that the majority of the damage would be inflicted upon the south side and thus inflicted upon the southern support columns?
The fires would have concentrated in this area aswell. What happens when you do enough damage to the south side? Try playing Jenga whilst only removing bricks from one face. There is no reason for all of the supports to fail simultaniously in the way they did. If wtc7 did fall due to tthe damage and the fires it would have fallen on it’s southern face, as it was much taller than it was wide. Instead the building burned slowly for several hours, and then collapsed all at once within a few seconds.
As i have said before, I am not a conspiracy theorist, you do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that there are inexplicable contradictions within the official 9/11 story.
It is easy, oh so easy to point and laugh at ‘troofers’, as a huge proportion of them are mental. You cannot base an argument of how any accusation that the governments story is bullshit is wrong upon how mad some of their proponents are. The BBC does this all the time, their ‘conspiracy files’ on the 7/7 attacks focused upon a man who beleived himself to be jesus, and a holocaust denier, whilst excluding a perfectly sane rational and widespread group that rejected both of those nutter’s positions. It’s like making a documentory on the catholic church that focusing solely on pedofilia or a documentary on socialism that focusing solely upon genocidal dictators.
[1] diagram after 9/11, nearest buildings fucked up, on fire and partially destroyed, still require further demolition.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/wainy2433/wtc_map.jpg one of the blocking buildings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Six_WTC_SW_Corner.jpg
[2] It wasnt due to fire, the hypothesis is laughable, no other steel building has ever fallen due to fire, and there have been much greater attempts than this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM&feature=related
[3] Getting buildings to fall perfectly is HARD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
[4] http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html
World Trade Centre 7 collapsed because it was hit from falling steel from the World Trade Centre towers that were hit by planes- http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm. WTC7 was much more badly damaged than a lot of the conspiracy theorists allege – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&. Also WTC7 did not collapse perfectly – http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7pile.jpg.
The molten steel is due to how iron burns – http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm#molten. Thermite is just too unstable to make clean cuts in the WTC.
The biggest reason these two claims are BS though is what it would mean if they were true – conspiracy theorists say WTC7 was brought down because it was used to plan the attacks on WTC1 and 2. Why would the US government set up a place like that right next to the target? What was so special about it? And if thermite was used to bring down the two towers, how could they have planted it without anyone noticed in a crowded and busy office building? You can’t just sneak in demolition charges.
Muzz, since you are so obsessed wi WTC7, gonny provide an explanation/even just a vague theory as to WHY the ‘international bankers’ or WHOEVER was behind 9/11 would bother their arses flooring the 7th building. Surely the two towers were enough? WTC7 had no impact on any of the minds of the people, it was the two towers and the pentagon that did that, most people don’t even know anything about WTC7. So why bother doing a ‘crappy job’ of destroying WTC7 at all? What could POSSIBLY have been the motivation?
Cause AND effect, Muzz. They’re both pretty important.
couple of links..
Robert Fisk, who’s a journalist I have a lot of respect for, argues in this article that there are still a lot of unanswered questions around 9/11, although he doesn’t offer any answers himself: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html
& as for WTC7, this page has masses of stuff: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
It wasn’t really the point, Muzz. The point was more to do with the nutter-ish type behaviour of these ‘Truthers’. They just seem like wanks that like to deny logic. Also, i second what Sarah said. People seem to have some kind of concept stuck in their minds that bodies are intact when a plane crashes. With gallons or kerosene and an explosive fire which could rage on for hours, human flesh doesn’t stand a chance. Also, by the identification of the flight, people can claim to know exactly who was on that plane.
Occam’s Razor
The thing for me is, I don’t really know the facts about the WTC collapse or whatever and I do think it’s perfectly plausible for there to be a lot more to it than meets the eye.
The 9/11 cult watch site that was linked to above puts the problem with this really well:
“Fundamentally, the 9/11 & 7/7 cults have a pernicious effect on political discourse. By focussing primarily on a small group of decision-makers in a predominantly ahistorical way, they serve to trivialise, and disempower, the very popular masses that are ultimately the agents of radical social change–if that is to happen. As the excellent Schnews article says”World power is not a neat pyramidal structure with aliens, Jews or a cabal of men with a secret handshake at the top…There is one conspiracy that doesn’t lurk in smoky rooms behind closed doors–its called global capitalism”. Some US comrades have correctly described 9/11 conspiracy obsessives as examples of “arrested radicalisation”. It is true many now drawn towards the 9/11 & 7/7 cults would in the past have become Leftists–and it is vital the Left/Greens do not ignore the genuine issues posed by 9/11–but as supplementary to political practice, not substituting for it. Ultimately, the 9/11 obsession of many people in the UK is not a manifestation of critical thought, but cultural and political subordination to the US–whereby events there are considered more important than equivalents in the UK or the rest of the world.”
An interesting article Bowden, I had not encountered this possibility before. The exothermicity of an iron-steam reaction is a possibility, but my Chemistry education ended long ago. Yet i cannot see any reason why the nearer buildings, 5 and 6 did not produce this reaction, nor any of the other buildings that have burned like torches over the years and remained 100% solid and intact.
Another claim made there is that as there are multiple causes for molton metal there is no such solid evidence to suggest the use of thermite. Well heres some taken from WTC dust. Patented demolition grade thermite
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess-2.htm
If there were such a convenient explaination for the molton metal it would assuredly form a part of the official report as to the events of 9/11. The glaring lack of acknowledgement that there was molton metal suggests otherwise.
We are young socialists. Which is surprising, as in our society socialism is an option not given to many. Our ideas are discredited at every opportunity in our state and media education and yet here we are. We should be good at thinking outside of the box.
One tactic that is used to make us negatively associate socialism is the deliberate choice of the face that is presented to us. In history we were taught about the crimes of Stalin, in the news Chavez’s positive impact on his society is almost always ignored, and in the UK the media chooses ambassadors for socialist politics that are almost always full of shit, such as Galloway and Sheridan. The truth is so easily distorted with this regard we should be wary of any attempt to discredit ideas through choice of representative.
Yet this article aims to make the same association. Here are some psycotic nutters, and by induction everyone who dares to question the state’s account of events falls under this mental umbrella.
Beleive it or not most people who doubt the official story are just like you and me. Here is a totally sane video of how there is firstly no admissable evidence to convict anyone of the 7/7 bombings, and of how the police’s dismal record of witholding evidence that would clear bomb suspects should lead us to be suspicious of their unsubstantiated assertions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuA7Mqof5EM
If i had to give any ‘theory’ it would be that America is never the aggresor in a conflict. It avenged the dead on the Lucitania in WW1, it avenged the dead a pearl harbour in WW2, it avenged the Maddox after the Tonkin incident in Vietnam, and it avenged the dead of 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq. The first could have been easily avoided, the second happened after an early warning from a NZ outpost was ignored, the third turned out to have ben completely faked, and the fourth? Who knows. All i know is that the ruling class had massively increased their stake through all of these conflicts, and that the working class payed dearly for them. This view on imperialist aggression does not stem from illuminati crack-potanti-semite horseshit. It is the view that you and I already hold, that one class is continually exploiting another for profit.
Doubting the official story doesn’t have to mean believing madness. Murray, I doubt the official story – I don’t think it had anything to do with Afghanistan as most American and British politicians would have you believe. That doesn’t mean I’m a conspiracy theorist, and I don’t believe the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I think that the American government are opportunistic little fuckers who used the aftermath to do what they wanted, and I know that they trained Al-Qaeda in the first place to do their bidding in other parts of the world. But I don’t believe that the American government DID IT THEMSELVES. What happened was, Al-Qaeda used their American training against America, hijacked planes, and killed thousands of innocent people. That is what happened. It’s sad and there’s plenty of people to blame, but I find the mad theories insulting and dangerous. 9/11 conspiracy theorists don’t expose the truth, they obstruct it.
Even if the conspiracy theories were true, I think we as socialists should have other things a lot higher on our list of priorities.
I don’t endorse any conspiracy theory, and i deliberately ommited as to whether 9/11 was an exploited disaster, an allowed disaster or a contrived disaster. I am undecided in the regard. There are huge parts of the 9/11 story that have been misreported for almost a decade. I am undecided as to whether this is due to the sheer incompetence of the invistigators, a lack of intrigue as to precicely what happened, with emphisis shifted on to why, or whether this is due to a cover-up.
What i am unequivically in favour of is the discussion of these ideas.
A good example of how this is healthy in our society is how after 7/7 the police, dispite the unlimited CCTV footage available to them, misreported the train that the bombers allegedly took from Luton to London. It was alledged that they took a 7.40 train that was in effect cancelled, the delay would have meant that the bombers would have missed the tube trains that departed and exploded. This only came to light after an independant blogger single-handedly did more investigative journalism than the combined mainstream press. Only when John Ried was forced to admit the error did the Press report it. This fact does not prove that 7/7 was orchestrated by the state; however it did show that either the Police were so phenominally incompetent that they had made the honest mistake of what train they had used, or that they were playing to a script. It also shows that the press are willingly or otherwise uninterested in accurate portrayals of what happened on this day.
Independant investigation and discussion of these events does not obstrust the truth, it has in fact illuminated it on several occasions such as this. However i do not doubt the ability of the internet to spread misinformation, i can say that if our only scource of news was the press then this error would not have come to light atall with any ease.
I can respect everything you’ve just said there, Muzz. I agree about openness and questioning why the media want to lie to us.
But We Are Change are bad. That’s nothing to do with you. But they are bad.